Legislature(2003 - 2004)

02/13/2003 03:07 PM House HES

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HB 25-HEALTH CARE SERVICES DIRECTIVES                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 0051                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  opened the hearing  on HOUSE  BILL NO. 25,  "An Act                                                               
relating to  health care decisions, including  do not resuscitate                                                               
orders and the donation of body  parts, and to powers of attorney                                                               
relating to  health care, including  the donation of  body parts;                                                               
and  providing for  an effective  date."   Chair Wilson  said the                                                               
committee  will  hear  testimony  on the  bill  today,  and  take                                                               
questions on the bill next week.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0132                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   BRUCE  WEYHRAUCH,   Alaska  State   Legislature,                                                               
sponsor,  told  the   committee  that  HB  25,   on  health  care                                                               
directives, is  a bill that  was passed  by the House  last year.                                                               
He noted that Representatives Cissna,  Kapsner, and Wilson worked                                                               
on that bill,  and he wants the  committee to know that  HB 25 is                                                               
identical to  that legislation.   He said  he is glad  that there                                                               
are a  number of people present  to testify because it  will give                                                               
the new  members of  the committee  an opportunity  to understand                                                               
the purpose of the bill.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 0229                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WEYHRAUCH  shared personal reasons for  wanting to                                                               
see  this legislation  pass.    He said  his  father passed  away                                                               
recently, and health  care directives were a  significant part of                                                               
end-of-life  decisions  that his  mother,  along  with her  seven                                                               
children,  had to  make on  behalf of  his father.   He  told the                                                               
committee  that as  an attorney,  he  believes no  matter what  a                                                               
lawyer  does  to  make end-of-life  decisions  clean,  neat,  and                                                               
legal, it  never quite  works that  way.  Anyone  who has  had to                                                               
deal  with death  and dying  knows that  the decisions  never are                                                               
quite as clear as one would like.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0277                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WEYHRAUCH  said he  believes it is  very important                                                               
to do  whatever can be done  to make the end-of-life  a time when                                                               
dying people  are surrounded by love.   It should be  a time when                                                               
the family is there to nurture  them, to show they care for them,                                                               
and want their life to be  as good as possible in that situation.                                                               
The  last thing  families  need is  to  be faced  with  a lot  of                                                               
stressful  decisions on  what someone  they love  may or  may not                                                               
want to do  at the end-of-life phases.   Representative Weyhrauch                                                               
said the nightmare end-of-life existence  his father had made him                                                               
realize that there are some things worse in life than death.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0336                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WEYHRAUCH  explained  that   the  bill  offers  a                                                               
comprehensive,  simplified  alternative   in  making  end-of-life                                                               
decisions.    He said  he  was  asked  to  sponsor this  bill  by                                                               
individuals he respects who deal  with end-of-life issues, senior                                                               
issues, care issues,  nursing issues, and medical  issues.  These                                                               
people have  been deeply touched  by end-of-life  experiences and                                                               
want  to see  an  expansion of  options for  people  who want  to                                                               
prepare themselves  for when they can  no longer speak or  act on                                                               
their own behalf.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0535                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WEYHRAUCH explained  that this  bill puts  all of                                                               
these  legal issues  under one  title.   He mentioned  an analogy                                                               
that might  help in understanding the  purpose of this bill.   He                                                               
asked members to think of  the frustrations many feel when trying                                                               
to do something  that requires going from one  agency to another,                                                               
one building  to another,  and one  city to  another to  meet the                                                               
requirements  of a  permit.   Representative Weyhrauch  said this                                                               
kind of  frustration has  led to  discussions in  the legislature                                                               
about streamlining the permitting process.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WEYHRAUCH said  this bill  would bring  under one                                                               
chapter the kinds  of end-of-life decisions people  have to make.                                                               
It is a  way to make it as  easy as possible for the  public at a                                                               
time that  is the most stressful,  critical phase of life.   This                                                               
bill  would  address  the  organ   donor  program,  DNR  [do  not                                                               
resuscitate]  program or  comfort program,  living will  program,                                                               
and health  care durable  power of attorney.   While  this allows                                                               
people to make a statement at  the end-of-life, it also serves as                                                               
a  guiding protocol  in the  case of  an accident  when emergency                                                               
medical technicians are  called.  The bill takes  all the current                                                               
provisions related  to end-of-life, and  puts them in  a critical                                                               
one-stop  look  for these  kinds  of  decisions.   Representative                                                               
Weyhrauch  said he  would be  available to  the committee  should                                                               
they require any additional information before the next meeting.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0629                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO asked about  the sectional analysis, page 3,                                                               
section 13.52.050(a).   He asked  about the wording  "to promptly                                                               
communicate a health care decision  to the patient."  His concern                                                               
is the ability to  do that.  If a patient  is unresponsive, it is                                                               
not  possible  to  do  that.    Representative  Gatto  asked  for                                                               
clarification on this.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 0779                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON offered  her experience  as a  nurse.   One of  the                                                               
first things  that a  hospital tries  to do  as an  individual is                                                               
admitted into the hospital is  to communicate with the patient on                                                               
preferences for  medical treatment.   The  problem is  that while                                                               
all hospitals have to do that, they probably do it differently.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 0817                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WEYHRAUCH  responded  that   the  bill  says  "if                                                               
possible."  The law is intended  to be read in a commonsense way.                                                               
He  said  it   is  absolutely  absurd  to   communicate  with  an                                                               
unconscious person.   If  a health care  directive has  been made                                                               
for a  patient, and  the patient is  unable to  communicate, then                                                               
the  intent is  to communicate  with someone  who can  be trusted                                                               
with fiduciary duty in watching  over the patient's interest.  If                                                               
the patient has  fulfilled some sort of health  care directive in                                                               
advance,  then  that  directive  is there  for  the  health  care                                                               
professionals.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 0876                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO suggested that  the language "when possible"                                                               
be inserted [Sec.  13.52.050(a)] as a simple fix  in the language                                                               
to make this as clear as possible.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0930                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WEYHRAUCH said  that in the bill [page  6, line 4]                                                               
it says "if possible."                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO responded  that "if" is fine and  he sees no                                                               
reason to change the language.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 0962                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   CISSNA  asked   about   merging   a  number   of                                                               
departmental regulations or  provisions under this bill.   If so,                                                               
she asked, what are those changes?                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 1029                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WEYHRAUCH  explained  that when  he  referred  to                                                               
"department" it  was in  an analogous  situation in  referring to                                                               
permitting when  someone may be  frustrated because of  having to                                                               
get one permit  from one department, another  agency, and another                                                               
town.  He  said there was no  intent in his reference  to that to                                                               
imply  that somehow  there are  multiple departments  involved in                                                               
this legislation.   What this bill is intended to  do is to bring                                                               
together   under  one   statute  the   end-of-life  health   care                                                               
decisions.   He reiterated  that the intent  and language  is the                                                               
same as last year's bill.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1084                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA  asked what  are the changes  and additions                                                               
to existing law.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1116                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WEYHRAUCH   said  it  takes   current  provisions                                                               
related to the  end-of-life and puts them in one  chapter.  Among                                                               
those  decisions  are  the  organ   donor  program,  living  will                                                               
program, "Comfort One"  program or DNR program,  and the expanded                                                               
health care durable power of attorney.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1157                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA  asked  if  there  are  actually  specific                                                               
changes to existing law.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1165                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WEYHRAUCH  said  in  order to  meet  the  chair's                                                               
schedule, he will  provide the committee with a list  of what the                                                               
law is now and what the law will be.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 1209                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HEINZE asked  about page  7, lines  1 through  4,                                                               
where  it  talks about  a  health  care provider's  declining  to                                                               
comply  with  an individual  instructions.    She inquired  about                                                               
Jehovah's Witnesses who will not accept blood transfusions.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WEYHRAUCH  responded  that it  is  an  individual                                                               
decision on  the part of  a patient  and a health  care provider.                                                               
If an  institution does not  want to comply with  an individual's                                                               
health  care instruction  that requires  a medically  ineffective                                                               
decision, for example, the provider is  not forced to comply.  If                                                               
a Jehovah's Witness or Christian  Science believer who just wants                                                               
to live  life without  medical intervention  is not  in agreement                                                               
with treatment options, then he or  she might not be in the right                                                               
facility.   The patient may need  to go somewhere else  where the                                                               
kind of  care that person wants  is available, such as  home care                                                               
or a hospice facility.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1249                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HEINZE  asked Representative Weyhrauch  to clarify                                                               
whether  the  health care  provider  may  decline to  follow  the                                                               
instructions  of a  patient.   For  example, if  the  child of  a                                                               
Jehovah's  Witness came  into a  facility  and was  dying, but  a                                                               
transfusion would  save the  child, then  the provider  does have                                                               
the right to override the wishes of the patient.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1256                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WEYHRAUCH responded  that health care institutions                                                               
may  decline to  comply with  an  instruction or  direction on  a                                                               
decision that someone else has made.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 1311                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MARIA  WALLINGTON,  M.D.,  Providence  Health  System,  read  the                                                               
following statement regarding HB 25:                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     I  am a  physician who  practiced pediatric  cardiology                                                                    
     and pediatric  intensive care here in  Anchorage for 20                                                                    
     years.   Three  years  ago I  completed  a Master's  in                                                                    
     Ethics  and began  working  for  the Providence  Health                                                                    
     System in Alaska as their  medical ethicist.  One of my                                                                    
     duties is  to help patients, families,  and health care                                                                    
     providers who  are faced with challenging  decisions at                                                                    
     the end-of-life.   In this capacity  I have encountered                                                                    
     families and  physicians whose efforts to  do the right                                                                    
     thing  for patients  has been  complicated  by lack  of                                                                    
     clear, unambiguous, supportive laws.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     I would  like to  point out to  you that  Alaska, along                                                                    
     with three  other states, received the  lowest possible                                                                    
     grade  on this  part  of a  national report  evaluating                                                                    
     states on the care provided  to residents near the end-                                                                    
     of-life.   Last  November,  Last Acts,  a coalition  of                                                                    
     more than 1000 organizations  such as the AMA [American                                                                    
     Medical   Association]   and  the   American   Hospital                                                                    
     Association, issued a report card  for all 50 states on                                                                    
     how  end-of-life  care  is encouraged  in  each  state.                                                                    
     Alaska  received the  lowest possible  grade on  "State                                                                    
     Advance Directive  Policies."   They found, as  many of                                                                    
     my colleagues  and I have,  that Alaska's  current laws                                                                    
     do not support good advance-care  planning.  Of the six                                                                    
     criteria  that were  evaluated,  Alaska's current  laws                                                                    
     only [provide]  for one.   That is  the out-of-hospital                                                                    
     Do-Not-Resuscitate order protocol of  Comfort One.  The                                                                    
     passage of HB  25 will provide for top marks  in all of                                                                    
     the criteria.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Those  criteria, which  follow the  recommendations for                                                                    
     state policies contained in  the federal Uniform Health                                                                    
     Care Decisions Act, are:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     1.   To  recommend  a   single,  comprehensive  advance                                                                    
     directive,  which reduces  confusion.   Currently,  the                                                                    
     power of  attorney [POA] and  living will laws  are not                                                                    
     connected in any way.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     2.   Avoid  mandatory  forms  or language  for  medical                                                                    
     powers  of attorney  or  combined living  wills/medical                                                                    
     powers  of attorney,  giving residents  the freedom  to                                                                    
     express their  wishes in  their own  way.   Current POA                                                                    
     forms are complex and difficult.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     3.   Give precedence  to the agent's authority  or most                                                                    
     recent  directive  over  the living  will,  recognizing                                                                    
     that an agent has the  advantage of being able to weigh                                                                    
     all  the facts  and medical  opinions in  light of  the                                                                    
     patient's wishes  at the  time a  decision needs  to be                                                                    
     made.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     4.   Authorize default surrogates  - typically, next of                                                                    
     kin  -   to  make  health  care   decisions,  including                                                                    
     decisions  about life  support if  the patient  has not                                                                    
     named  someone.    No current  support  in  Alaska  law                                                                    
     [exists] for surrogates.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     5.   Include "close friend" in  the list of permissible                                                                    
     default surrogates, recognizing  that family in today's                                                                    
     world   often  extends   beyond  the   nuclear  family.                                                                    
     Currently no clear statement for decisionmaking.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     6.   Have a statewide,  non-hospital DNR order protocol                                                                    
     for  emergency  medical   service  [EMS]  personnel  to                                                                    
     ensure  that EMS  personnel can  follow  the wishes  of                                                                    
     terminally ill patients out in  the community.  This is                                                                    
     handled through the Comfort One protocol.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     The current  Alaska Statutes  covering living  will and                                                                    
     power of  attorney are limited and  confusing, and can,                                                                    
     in fact,  discourage people from making  a living will.                                                                    
     This means  patients' wishes  are often  not documented                                                                    
     for those  who would be  called upon to  make decisions                                                                    
     for them.  I was  delighted last year when I discovered                                                                    
     this bill making  its way through the  legislature.  It                                                                    
     would  have handled  so many  of the  issues that  were                                                                    
     troubling me.  I was  very disappointed time ran out so                                                                    
     it  only made  it through  the  House and  did not  get                                                                    
     acted  on in  the Senate.    It solves  several of  the                                                                    
     troubling issues involving  end-of-life decision making                                                                    
     that  have  been  causing  problems  for  families  and                                                                    
     health care providers.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Specifically,  I  particularly   like  the  example  of                                                                    
     Advance  Health Care  Directive provided  in the  bill,                                                                    
     Page 12.   It encourages  individuals to  think through                                                                    
     some of the  difficult decisions that might  need to be                                                                    
     made  and to  provide  guidance on  how  to make  those                                                                    
     decisions  on their  behalf.   The current  living will                                                                    
     law  only addresses  whether or  not  to prolong  one's                                                                    
     dying  process.     Often   direction  is   needed  for                                                                    
     patient's  unable   to  communicate  desires   but  the                                                                    
     patient is  not dying.   This directive will  help make                                                                    
     those preferences known.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Secondly,  it  ties the  appointment  of  an agent  for                                                                    
     health  care decision  making to  the patient's  wishes                                                                    
     for  how  those decisions  should  be  made.   It  also                                                                    
     expressly tells the agent what  criteria should be used                                                                    
     for making decisions.  (Page 3  line 12 (h) and Page 15                                                                    
     line  25   (4)  Agent's   Obligation).     The  agent's                                                                    
     obligation is  to decide on  the behalf of  the patient                                                                    
     as the patient  would have decided for  himself, to the                                                                    
     extent  known.   This  form  of  the Advance  Directive                                                                    
     encourages the  individual to make those  wishes known.                                                                    
     Sometimes we  have decisionmakers requesting  what they                                                                    
     want instead of  what they know the  patient would have                                                                    
     wanted.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1444                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. WALLINGTON continued:                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     The other  major problem that as  health care providers                                                                    
     we  have struggled  with, which  this legislation  will                                                                    
     solve, is  the problem of surrogate  decisionmakers for                                                                    
     patients  without  a  legal  guardian  or  a  power  of                                                                    
     attorney.   Most of our unconscious  patients fall into                                                                    
     this  category.    Currently there  is  no  statute  to                                                                    
     support  the common  practice of  using a  relative or,                                                                    
     sometimes   a  good   friend,  to   give  consent   for                                                                    
     treatment.  This legislation  corrects that shortage by                                                                    
     legalizing the  use of  surrogates and  delineating how                                                                    
     they  are  identified  and  how   they  may  act  on  a                                                                    
     patient's behalf.  This act  will give surrogates legal                                                                    
     support for doing this very difficult job.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     As it stands, this is a  good bill.  However, it can be                                                                    
     an excellent bill with a  few minor changes.  The first                                                                    
     is very simple.  On  page 22, in the definitions, lines                                                                    
     12 and 20,  which are A through D  under "health care",                                                                    
     actually  belong under  "health care  decision".   They                                                                    
     represent decisions that  need to be made,  not care or                                                                    
     treatment.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1502                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     The  second issue  is a  little more  complex.   On the                                                                    
     bottom of  page 4,  top of page  5 under  "decisions by                                                                    
     surrogate" a  class of surrogates and  all classes with                                                                    
     less priority  are disqualified from making  a decision                                                                    
     if there  are an even  number of members in  that class                                                                    
     and  they  are  evenly  divided on  a  decision.    For                                                                    
     instance,  consider  an elderly  widow  who  has had  a                                                                    
     stroke,  cannot communicate,  and needs  decisions made                                                                    
     for her on where she will  be cared for long term.  She                                                                    
     has  two adult  children who  cannot agree  despite the                                                                    
     best  efforts of  the health  care professional  to get                                                                    
     agreement.   Who makes the  decision?  After  giving us                                                                    
     surrogates,  this section  takes  them  away again  and                                                                    
     does not  give any  guidance for  what the  health care                                                                    
     provider  can  do.   Please  consider  authorizing  the                                                                    
     primary physician to  break the tie by  siding with the                                                                    
     surrogate  who, in  his/her  professional judgment,  is                                                                    
     acting in the best interest of the patient.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     One of the  most challenging duties anyone  can ever be                                                                    
     called  on to  undertake is  to make  difficult medical                                                                    
     decisions for  another person.   One of the  best gifts                                                                    
     we  can give  those  who shoulder  this  burden on  our                                                                    
     behalf is  having in place a  good, informative advance                                                                    
     health care  directive.  HB  25 will  allow individuals                                                                    
     to  do  this job  of  preparing  for these  end-of-life                                                                    
     challenges better  and will help health  care providers                                                                    
     better  serve patients  and their  families when  these                                                                    
     challenges occur.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     In  conclusion, as  a  medical  professional who  daily                                                                    
     experience  the  reality  of  life  and  death,  as  an                                                                    
     ethicist, and as a  representative of Providence Health                                                                    
     System in  Alaska, I  urge that  you help  all Alaskans                                                                    
     who will  someday face difficult health  care decisions                                                                    
     by supporting HB 25.  Thank you for your attention.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  thanked Dr. Wallington  and told her  the committee                                                               
would take her comments into consideration.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1580                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
PAUL MALLEY, President, Aging with  Dignity, testified in support                                                               
of HB 25  and provided the committee  with background information                                                               
about the organization  and the development of  the "Five Wishes"                                                               
advance  directive [a  legal document].   He  told the  committee                                                               
that  his   is  a  private  nonprofit   organization  that  works                                                               
nationally.  He  told the committee the group was  founded by Jim                                                               
Towey in  1986.  When Mr.  Towey was appointed by  President Bush                                                               
to direct  the Office of  Faith-Based and  Community Initiatives,                                                               
he was  asked to  serve as  president of  the organization.   Mr.                                                               
Towey  developed this  document  called "Five  Wishes," which  is                                                               
circulating  all  over  the  country  in  all  50  states;  5,000                                                               
organizations   have  distributed   over   2,000,000  copies   to                                                               
individuals.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1628                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. MALLEY  said Mr. Towey  wrote Five Wishes based  primarily on                                                               
his  experiences  in  working with  Mother  Teresa  in  Calcutta,                                                               
India.   He  was  her legal  counsel for  twelve  years and  also                                                               
worked  in  her  homes  for  the  dying  in  India,  Mexico,  and                                                               
Washington, D.C.   He saw how  people were cared for  at the end-                                                               
of-life, where their full needs  were met, not just their medical                                                               
needs.   During their last  moments of  life, they had  people by                                                               
their side  holding their hand  and praying  for them if  that is                                                               
what they wanted.  He contrasted  that with the way he saw people                                                               
dying in  America, where they  are often  hooked up to  tubes and                                                               
machines, when  they would  rather not  be.   Many are  dying and                                                               
being treated as  if it were purely another  medical moment, when                                                               
it is  so much more.   Mr. Towey wrote  Five Wishes as a  way for                                                               
people  to  put  down  in  writing  and  communicate  with  their                                                               
families what is important to them.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 1664                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. MALLEY  told the  committee there were  three goals  that his                                                               
organization had in mind when  writing this document.  First, the                                                               
organization wanted to make it  easy to understand so that people                                                               
could fill  it out  in their  living rooms and  not have  to wait                                                               
until they go  to a hospital or go  to an attorney to do  it.  It                                                               
includes more  than just the  medical issues, because in  all the                                                               
national research that  has been done when people  are asked what                                                               
is  important  to  them  at  the  end-of-life,  the  most  common                                                               
response is, "I  want to be in  my home, and I want  my family to                                                               
be with  me," for  example.   So that  is important  when talking                                                               
about advanced-care  planning.  The third  thing the organization                                                               
wanted to facilitate is communication.   It was important to help                                                               
people talk with  their families and there  health care providers                                                               
to make sure that all the  questions are answered, that they know                                                               
what kind  of care that individual  would want.  "We"  have 5,000                                                               
organizations that  are distributing  Five Wishes.   These groups                                                               
include hospices, hospitals,  and work places that  are giving it                                                               
to their  employees, such as,  the U.S. Department of  State, the                                                               
U.S.   Department   of   Justice,   the  U.S.   Food   and   Drug                                                               
Administration.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1715                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MALLEY  said  in  Florida,  Governor Bush  has  been  a  big                                                               
supporter  of  the organization's  work  and  is actually  giving                                                               
copies of Five Wishes to every  state employee.  When Five Wishes                                                               
was  developed the  organization got  the support  of the  Robert                                                               
Wood Johnson Foundation  and had legal counsel  from the American                                                               
Bar  Association.   The organization  wanted it  to be  a legally                                                               
valid  document in  as  many states  as possible.    He told  the                                                               
committee that today  it is valid in 35 states,  according to the                                                               
American Bar  Association.  That  count does not  include Alaska;                                                               
hopefully, it will by the end of  the year.  The reason it is not                                                               
legal is  due to  the mandatory form  requirement and  the Alaska                                                               
durable  power of  attorney for  health care.   Alaska's  current                                                               
statute  requires that  residents of  Alaska use  that form,  and                                                               
that form only.  Mr. Malley  said he cannot say, without a doubt,                                                               
that Five  Wishes meets  the legal requirement,  and that  is why                                                               
the work  the committee  is doing  today is  so important.   This                                                               
bill will make the statutes  more streamlined by putting them all                                                               
together, and allowing residents to  express their own wishes, in                                                               
their own words, to talk about what is important to them.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1800                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MALLEY  said he  would  like  to  share with  the  committee                                                               
something  that happened  two weeks  ago.   He met  a woman  in a                                                               
small  town   in  New   England  after  he   had  just   given  a                                                               
presentation.  She  came up to him  with a tear in her  eye.  She                                                               
told him the story  of her husband, who had died a  year ago.  He                                                               
had been  in a coma  for the last 28  days of his  life; however,                                                               
before  he went  into  a  coma he  filled  out  his Five  Wishes.                                                               
During the  time that he  was sick and  his family was  with him,                                                               
his Five Wishes  were placed on the nightstand beside  his bed in                                                               
the hospital.   When the family  came in, they did  not know what                                                               
to do, but they picked up his  Five Wishes, and knew he wanted to                                                               
have pictures  of his  grandkids by him;  he wanted  his favorite                                                               
afghan brought  in; he wanted  his church notified so  his pastor                                                               
would  come in  and pray  with him.   This  helped them  care for                                                               
their loved  one the  way he  wanted to  be.   When the  28th day                                                               
came, and  the doctor said  it is not likely  he will be  able to                                                               
recover, one son  refused to allow his dad to  be taken off life-                                                               
support  treatment.    She  said  they told  him  this  was  your                                                               
father's decision  to make and  he made it.   She showed  him his                                                               
father's  wishes  in  his  father's   own  writing  and  his  own                                                               
signature.  So  the son said if  that is what dad  wants, that is                                                               
what should be done.  He  was able to follow his father's wishes.                                                               
Beyond that,  on wish number  5, the  father had wished  that his                                                               
family members  would make  peace with each  other if  they could                                                               
before his death.   The woman told  him that two of  her sons had                                                               
not spoken for  five years, and they spoke on  that day, and have                                                               
been great  friends ever since.   It is something that  would not                                                               
have happened  if this conversation  about advanced care  had not                                                               
happened.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. MALLEY  said in closing,  he would  like to assist  or answer                                                               
any questions that might be helpful.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 1893                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  asked Representative Weyhrauch  if passing                                                               
this  law would  preempt or  make invalid  the durable  powers of                                                               
attorney  that are  currently  on file.   He  asked  if he  could                                                               
provide an answer on this issue at the next hearing of the bill.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1930                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MARK  JOHNSON,  Chief,  Community Health  and  Emergency  Medical                                                               
Services,  Division of  Public Health,  Department of  Health and                                                               
Social Services (DHSS),  testified in support of HB 25.   He said                                                               
the Department  of Health  and Social  Services' interest  in the                                                               
bill is with  section 13.52.060, which is on page  7 of the draft                                                               
bill and  deals with  the DNR [do  not resuscitate]  protocol and                                                               
identification  requirements.     He   said  that   DHSS  adopted                                                               
regulations in 1996 based on  legislation that was passed in 1994                                                               
which mandated that  the department do this, and as  a result the                                                               
"Comfort  One" program  was adopted.    He said  the Comfort  One                                                               
program procedure identifies and  respects the wishes of patients                                                               
in the  out-of-hospital environment  who do not  want life-saving                                                               
measures  such as  CPR [cardiopulmonary  resuscitation] performed                                                               
on  them when  their  breathing and  heart stops.    He told  the                                                               
committee  a Comfort  One participant  can be  identified through                                                               
the  use  of  an  enrollment  form,  wallet  card,  and  optional                                                               
bracelet, which are obtained from  a physician and serve to alert                                                               
health care  providers that the  patient has been issued  a valid                                                               
DNR order and  that CPR should not be performed.   If the patient                                                               
has  made an  anatomical gift  and is  in the  hospital, the  DNR                                                               
order  will  not take  effect  until  the  donated organ  can  be                                                               
evaluated to  see if it is  suitable for donation.   This bill is                                                               
consistent with that procedure and the department is supportive.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 2006                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MARIE  DARLIN,  Coordinator,  Capitol   City  Task  Force,  AARP,                                                               
testified  in support  of  HB 25.   She  told  the committee  she                                                               
represents [AARP's]  71,000 Alaskan members.   She said  the task                                                               
force  includes representatives  from  other  senior and  retiree                                                               
organizations  who   have  similar  concerns.     She  asked  the                                                               
committee to  review the  letter in the  bill packet  from Alaska                                                               
AARP in support  of HB 25.  She said  considerable time was spent                                                               
last year on this health  directives legislation.  While the bill                                                               
passed the  House, the Senate ran  out of time to  pass the bill.                                                               
In  a 2002  survey of  AARP members  in Alaska,  health care  was                                                               
listed as one of their  top legislative concerns; therefore, this                                                               
advanced  directives legislation  is  one  of AARP's  priorities.                                                               
She urged support of HB 25.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 2080                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO asked Ms. Darlin  if she has ever met anyone                                                               
who opposes this legislation or the concept of this legislation.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 2090                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. DARLIN  said there  were Senators who  had questions  on some                                                               
aspects of the  bill last year; however, she said  she feels that                                                               
all the questions were answered.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 2105                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO  asked if  she is aware  of even  one person                                                               
who is opposed to the concept of the bill.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. DARLIN replied not that she can remember.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
[HB 25 was held over]                                                                                                           

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